arsegrapes
4:08 Fri Feb 3
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Valencia criticizing the intensity of our training methods
Zaza now criticizing the intensity of our training methods
Feghouli told he was unfit my Algerian manager
Payet clearly unfit
Bilic says we play without intensity v Arsenal
Bilic says we play without intensity v Man City cup
All season has been the same subject to a few games, Chelsea cup.
Bilic seems to pally doesn't to want to change his Croat training staff. Sign of a weak manager, business is business, unless Bilic has also run out of ideas. When will heads roll ffs, shambles.
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Jaan Kenbrovin
3:49 Fri Feb 3
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Enner Valencia said that Everton's training is much better than at West Ham shortly after his move.
If I was the owners I'd have the fucking hump with it, especially as Bilic keeps mentioning losing 'intensity' in training. How fucking hard is it to organise proper training sessions ffs?
Maybe they should fuck Dicks off and bring Di Canio in...
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Lertie Button
3:33 Fri Feb 3
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Is that not what Bilic said after the City rout a few weeks back, so further confirmation.
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zebthecat
3:26 Fri Feb 3
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Good attempt there from Zaza but it wasn't lack of training intensity that caused him to panic every time he got a whiff of a goal.
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Robson
3:02 Fri Feb 3
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Seems like a strange thing to make up. All sorts of things you'd expect him to blame it on before dreaming up this one... so I have to believe it.
Based on what he's said, at best our regime is just good enough, but not as intense as some other clubs. At worst we're a shambles in that department. Strange really, if we're running on a limited budget you'd think it would be one of the first things you'd address to get the most out of the players we've got.
Unless of course any regime changes which make players' lives harder are met with resistance from certain primadonna players... so now our biggest primadonna player (who, perhaps it is no coincidence, was the most unfit person at the club) has gone, maybe the players will start knuckling down to some serious hard work!
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Full Claret Jacket
3:02 Fri Feb 3
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Fitness takes a long time to get right and maintain at it's peak.It needs to be monitored and training modified for the individuals concerned.
Allardyce was very hot on sports science and monitoring it. We now seem to have a 69 year old Ex Olympic Croatian Handball trainer.
Ask yourself this. Is he anywhere close to modern day methods? Does he know how to train players how to be at peak fitness on a weekly basis or just one match in 4 years?
I think our fitness levels have dropped since Allardyce left and buying 'fit' players in every transfer window to replace the ones who you've let get overweight or have stamina issues isn't sustainable.
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gph
2:29 Fri Feb 3
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It was a mistake to let him bring a bed into the changing room, so he could set his alarm to allow half 5 minutes to put his strip on before coming out onto the pitch.
I assume that's why he played like he was still asleep.
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Tadlad
2:26 Fri Feb 3
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Fitness obviously is part of our problems at the moment. You've only got to look at how Spurs have changed since MP took charge there and stepped up intensive training.. How many goals do they get in the final minutes (including 2 against us recently) because they never stop running.
Similar for City and Arsenal compared to us. We may not have such accomplished footballers but at least they should be at peak fitness to have a chance of competing.
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BRANDED
2:11 Fri Feb 3
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He was obviously a complete cunt
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El Scorchio
1:55 Fri Feb 3
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tnb 1:31
Good post that- probably a lot of truth in it. Especially re: Ferguson/Man U.
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HairyHammer
1:53 Fri Feb 3
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tnb 1.31
Was just about to write something similar but with far less ability and quantity.
Zaza is basically just talking mash to make his club and fans positive .
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geoffpikey
1:45 Fri Feb 3
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goose 12:05 Fri Feb 3
Agree. OS pitch isn't too big for other teams, is it? WHU players just don't seem fit enough! It is worrying how much the club's training methods are getting mentioned.
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Texas Iron
1:43 Fri Feb 3
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tnb...
It's fairly obvious things need to change regarding sports science and fitness...and I'm sure Sullivan has got the message ...
If we can see it ...he and his advisers must have seen it...
Despite Bilic's statements after the arsenal game there doesn't seem to be much change or improvement in fitnefitness and preparation...
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tnb
1:31 Fri Feb 3
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Almost every time a club gets a new manager, players come out and say the training is harder, more intense or whatever. It's also common for players moving clubs particularly when they haven't done very well at their previous club - Valencia as an example in addition to Zaza that has already been mentioned, and of course there's an element of an excuse or a defense mechanism for their confidence involved there.
We had a run of it with managers I think all the way from Curbishley to Grant, with talk of training being 'better' under Curbishley than under Pardew, then 'better' under Zola than Curbishley, and then 'better' under Grant than Zola...which if you take ir at face value leads you to wonder quite how bad it must have been under Pardew especially as we ended up as such a fiasco under Grant, before of course BFS came in with his 'groundbreaking' sports science.
In truth, I don't think it's about better or worse, it's just about doing things differently and the way that challenges players. In a lot of sports - cricket for example - there is an understanding that coaches have a limited lifespan with one team before their methods become stale. Duncan Fletcher wasn't a bad coach by any stretch and Andy Flower certainly wasn't better, but for a while it worked because players were being challenged- ditto Bayliss whose methods probably won't work forever. In rugby, look at how stale the Welsh have gone under Gatland and Edwards who are clearly top drawer coaches who haven't become rubbish all of a sudden but it seems the players are too familiar with their methods and what they ask of them.
Pardew is probably the most.obvious example for us of a clique of players getting overly familiar with the boss. You could probably argue Wenger has a similar issue now, albeiy his 'plateau' is a much more successful one but he's no less stuck in a rut.
Some players probably just work better under certain conditions than others, and lack the ability or determination to change- ie Zaza- but in general I think there's a lot to be said for changing things around on a regular basis. That's why when things change, players think it's become 'tougher' - because they're being asked to adapt from what they have become comfortable with.
That doesn't necessarily have to mean changing the manager but look at Ferguson - while he remained at the top of the tree, he regularly refreshed his assistants who were surely much more hands on in training sessions than he was. The culture was one of continual improvement and new challenges even while the man at the helm remained the same.
When you look at our fitnes this season, plus comments like the Algeria manager saying he couldn't believe how heavy Ferghouli had become, and even Bilic's own comments after the Arsenal game, it does seem that for whatever reason the current coaching setup isn't working. Whether that's because the coaches just aren't very good, or the players have just become complacent with them, no one outside Rush Green probably knows. And I know Ferghouli only signed in the summer but the culture you walk into - whether it's 'you'd better knuckle down here or the coaches will destroy you' or 'just do it the way we have been and you'll be ok, don't stress about anything', or somewhere in between- can quickly have an influence on a new addition.
I don't think any of us want a Felix Magath style character around the place but I did wonder after the Arsenal comments whether the outcome might be 'you can stay, Slav, but you've got to be prepared to change up your coaching team because something isn't working'. Put simply, if the manager isn't the problem then he'd better be ready with an answer on who/ what is and be prepared to change it. Even if that means accepting that his mates and trusted lieutenants might have reached their sell by date.
I actually wish that had happened, and I think it needs to. Soon.
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Texas Iron
1:14 Fri Feb 3
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BTW...
If true about his basic fitness it raises serious questions about Bilic's sports science and nutrition program...
The squad looked well below the fitness level of other Prem clubs from the first game onwards...
Every player needs a personal fitness assessment and monitoring regime...Sports Science and nutrition...
Have they gone backwards since BFS...???
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Percy Dalton
1:07 Fri Feb 3
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If he starts banging the goals in at Valencia he has a point, if not he should admit he's crap and it's just an excuse.
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Texas Iron
1:06 Fri Feb 3
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Lack of basic technique ...slow as a carthorse...poor football brain...suspect he's a smoker...one footed...no aerial ability...not a lone striker
Plus poor motivation to get fully fit as he says...
Saw him at Euros surprised we took him....
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cornish
12:58 Fri Feb 3
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To my mind he failed because he wasn't good enough,simples.
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El Scorchio
12:57 Fri Feb 3
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Part of it is obviously excuses from the player- he's got to explain away how he was so poor.
It's hard to say if he's got a point or not though.
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J.Riddle
12:52 Fri Feb 3
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many more followers than leaders.
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J.Riddle
12:51 Fri Feb 3
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monto. that is a valid point and I remember Redknapp saying Di Canio, Lampard and Bonds to name just a few doing this, however that is a tiny minority.
We can't all be leaders, that's why there are many more leaders than followers. I know many employees who have declined management positions as THEY want to be told what to do and need a structured environment to function.
It is the managers responsibility to decide whether they are unfit and should adjust training methods to push individuals and the squad to get fit.
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